(how to tell the biblical story in a way that makes a difference)

Add new comment

To respond to your comments point by point:

1. Exegesis: this is the heart of the issue. My view is that Jesus introduced, and Paul took much further, a radical re-reading of the Hebrew scriptures, which introduces the possibility of a very different eschatological framework through which to view and read not only the immediate passages but eschatological passages elsewhere in Daniel.The passages of immediate interest do not conform quite so neatly to the exegetical box into which you want to place them, and the development of the story as a whole beyond Daniel and into the NT sheds fresh light on what the “son of man” meant in relation to the powers.

2. Jesus does not refer to Daniel 7, so it cannot be said to “appeal” to him. On the other hand, the way he “misreads” Psalm 110 suggests that he would not be averse to “misreading” Daniel also. That he does this is indicated by the very different outcome for Israel and Jerusalem that he prophesies in the passages with close association to Daniel, in contrast with the triumph that Daniel and other “latter prophets” seem to predict for an Israel seen largely in national terms.

3. You may be getting tired of it, but the fact remains that in the context of Daniel, and also the majority context of the OT scriptures, not the targums, pelach has deities or deity as the direct object, whether it means worship or serve (the distinction is irrelevant). You have already said this in your introductory post, so I don’t know why it’s a huge issue for you to take the phenomenon slightly further. The significance of the phenomenon depends on the presuppositions you bring to interpretation of meaning.

The paradigm for interpreting Daniel’s eschatology (not his theology as such) is broader than can be conceived from Daniel 7. If your presupposition is that Jesus gives a very different slant to the meaning of kingdom, which to me emerges from his character, lifestyle, teaching, acts of ministry, death, resurrection, outpouring of the Spirit (each having explicit kingdom significance but not as you interpret them), then fresh light is shed on the meaning of kingdom in Daniel, as far as what the triumph of the kingdom would look like, and how it would come about. The short version: not the same as that brought to “kingdom” by your presuppositions.

Honestly Andrew I get what you are saying and proposing. I just think it doesn’t really stack up, and leads to a car crash further down the road. That’s why I think the foundations of what you are proposing need to be looked at more carefully.