Angels from the realms of glory, wing your flight o’er all the earth…

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” I think that the fear of the disciples was very reasonable, whichever way you look at it! They knew the lake/sea, and how dangerous the sudden storms were. On the other hand, they saw how peacefully Jesus was sleeping. I don’t think they believed he was the divine Christ, but they might have believed he could handle the storm if they asked him. I don’t believe he expected them to rebuke the wind and waves.”

why not? if power could flow out from marks jesus without jesus’ permission because of faith(“If I but touch his clothes, I will be made well.” 29 Immediately her hemorrhage stopped; and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease), why couldn’t the disciples rebuke the wind and waves IF they did have faith?

they had no faith at all. “do you still have no faith?” says mark

“”In the end, two different perspectives on the situation collide. It gives Jesus the opportunity to show the disciples that “even the wind and the waves obey him”. (No mention of demons, by the way). He was in control of creation, bringing order into its disorder.”“

you mean an intermittant god ? i don’t think mark imagined that yhwh was an intermittant god. mark does not say that jesus had access to omnipotent divine attribute. mark does not say that jesus was independant being.

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Philo’s description of Moses, who is called ‘god and king of the whole nation’, included some mastery over creation:

For, since God judged him worthy to appear as a partner of His own possessions, He gave into his hands the whole world as a portion well fitted for His heir. Therefore, each element obeyed him as its master, changed its natural properties and submitted to his command… (Vit Mos 1.155-156)

Compare the similar language in Mk 4.41: ‘Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?’ I’d use Greek, Alan, but it’s a bit of a hassle right now. Nevertheless, the linguistic similarities are there if you check. Another text (sometimes noted) is the description of the anointed figure in 4Q521: ‘[for the heav]ens and the earth will listen to his anointed one…’