Thanks for the response and the compliment Mark. Your comment helps me understand where you are coming from better.
You know, I don’t know how to not frame my arguments in “orthodoxy” when I believe that orthodoxy is the correct understanding of the issues involved. It seems that we are just supposed to lay aside that fact somehow. Do you really expect us to just give up our understanding of Scripture because it has the name “orthodoxy” attached? That just doesen’t work. There have been lots of discussions on various Scriptures here in the past, maybe not so much this time. But no matter what anyone else says, it is just insisted that it is wrong and the narrative historical hermeneutic and exegesis is correct. It becomes sort of an endless, circular argument. And I am a layperson and I admit I don’t know Greek, so I can’t dig into the fine points of language like a lot of the folks discussing here on both sides of the issue can and do.