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True. although that would be a non-Johannine text.

I’m not necessarily arguing for the “foundation of the earth” in Revelation to mean “the beginnings of this present evil time,” but given that John most definitely uses kosmos that way in his Gospel would at least give that viewpoint some legs.

Either way, I totally agree the phrase doesn’t mean something extra-historical, anymore than the lamb slain from the foundation of the world means Jesus was executed outside of history.

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