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Hi Andrew,

You said:

"No one seriously suggests that at the final resurrection the decomposed or incinerated bodies of the dead will somehow be raised directly"

Why not? Isn't our bodies to be transofrmed in to His glorious body?

Phil 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

I completely understand the contention youmay have with the nature of the resurrection of the dead, but wouldn't your statement contradict the two examples we had in scripture, one fo Christ, and the other of the Matt 27:52-53 saints that wer raised from the dead? Their bodies that lay in the tombs for all to see?

This ideas would appear to contradict not only the two examples given, but that of the consistent interpretation to this doctrine that had been handed down from the apostolic and ecclesisatical generations,  and that of the entire historic church whether Roman Cathiolic, Greek Orthodox, Syrain, Protestant, Anglican and so on.

You said in The Future of the People of God:

"Creation itself, which has been subjected to futility, is said to await not its own redemption, but th vindication of the suffereing church in the foreseeable future, the deliverance from persecution, the victory over paganism and superstition, because it knows that it will also share finally, in and unforeseeable future, in the glory and freedom from corruption that will be revealed in the sons of God, in the fellow heirs of Christ, in the brothers of Jesus, in the opressed community of the Son of Man. The redemption of these martyrs' physical created bodies must entail the final redemption of the whole of God's creation."

Pg 123, last paragraph.

It would seem by this statement you made, you are inferring that the redemption of the physical bodies as in Phil 3:21, are transformed into the glorious body as Christ's in His resurrection, and that of the saints of Matt 27. I agree in your assement of 1 Thess 4:16 and the like paralleled verses in that there is a two fold prophetic applcaiton and scenerio involving the vindication/resurrection of the martyred and persecuted chruch, but the scriptures, and not only the teaching of Paul as noted in Acts 23:6, and the Pharisaical interpetation of the resurection from the dead, is that it entails the body that which is laid, and thus is transformed in the world to come.

I would have to agree with this, as there are no other examples given in scripture as I see, that would indicate an ontological resurrection different from that of Christ's or the saints of Matt 27.


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