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Thanks for the links.  I read both posts.

I agree that, when it comes to the degree to which the post-resurrection Jesus was venerated by his disciples, Hurtado at times tends to overestimate it. He is, however, explicit in his God in New Testament Theology that Jesus is presented in the New Testament documents as subordinate to God.

What neither Hurtado nor Dunn seem to allow for is the ultimate elevation of Jesus in his eschatological triumph.  That is, prior to his resurrection (i.e. in the Gospels), Jesus was proclaimed as a man of God, a prophet.  Post-resurrection and pre-eschaton (i.e. Acts through Revelation), the proclamation was “This Jesus is the Messiah.”  Post-eschaton, the proclamation is “The Messiah is God.”  Thus, though it explicitly says nowhere in the New Testament that Jesus as God, we may say it.  And we should say it.

The “Trinity” is just a ham-handed way of acknowledging that Jesus is God by those who believe that the eschatological hopes of the New Testament failed to be fulfilled when promised.  However, if the eschaton was not achieved in the late first century, we are still in our sins.  

 

 

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