Andrew replied to Del I think I have a moderate grasp of the history of the Hebrews and I’ve read 1 Enoch and the Maccabean writings. There is a lengthy parable about sheep in 1 Enoch 89-90, but I don’t see how it is more...(Thu, 18/01/2018 - 09:50)
Del I believe everything that you wrote about the lost sheep of Israel is wrong. Without you knowing the history of the Hebrews of the bible you will not know about the lost sheep. You need to read the...(Thu, 18/01/2018 - 07:11)
Randall McRoberts Thanks, Andrew. Absolutely fantastic summary. I appreciate your approach so much.(Wed, 17/01/2018 - 22:16)
Philip Ledgerwood This will be very helpful, Andrew. Thanks for taking the time.
As I’ve made my way down the narrative-historical road, I think it’s hard to make a bullet list of practical applications (or...(Wed, 17/01/2018 - 15:20)
Peter Simmonds Since the day of the Lord was to follow the tribulation at the hands of the Romans (Mark 13:24), I wonder if it was like in Amos 5 where the Jews longed for the day of the Lord, thinking it had to be...(Wed, 17/01/2018 - 02:48)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds Well thanks, and it’s actually been helpful to me to be pressed on my argument. BTW Matthew 18 - you’re right of course. The parable is about forgiveness. It also reflects on what happens if we don’t...(Sun, 14/01/2018 - 08:42)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson You’re ahead of me, so it’s not that late here. (Perhaps you’re suggesting I must be tired of this debate? :) )
I think you might be tired. What I wrote was Matthew 18:35 is not a parable; it is the...(Sun, 14/01/2018 - 02:23)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds You must be getting tired Peter! The point about the man born blind in John 9 is that the disciples take the default view: either the man or his parents sinned; blessings for obedience, curses for...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 22:55)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson A problem I would have with thinking first-century Jews attributed bad things as coming from the hand of Satan is the fact that when the disciples asked Jesus why the guy was blind, they assumed it...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 22:15)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds Romans 1 & 2 - We agree to differ. I guess you are saying that “the wrath of God” begins with God giving people over to turning from God, which becomes a “reprobate mind”, which ends up with...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 19:30)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson Hi Peter,
Timewise, you’re a bit ahead of me since I’m in the eastern part of the US.
I was thinking about our exchange while working out, and although I still disagree with many of your points, I’m...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 18:41)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds Well, there may be a little more. I think you conveniently (for you) leapfrog the actual meaning of Romans 1:18-32. No comment on the introduction of another master of wrathful destruction and the...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 15:50)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson Right after saying there was probably nothing further to say, I realized I didn’t respond to your point about the devil.
It’s obvious the devil plays a much bigger role in the NT; however, I don’t...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 15:07)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson Peter, I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing (or you’re not seeing what I’m seeing).
Yes, Job questions the idea of God’s retributive justice and some of the psalmists would like to see more of it,...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 13:57)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds Peter - I sent a reply to this, and it’s disappeared! Maybe it gave up the will to live on its way over the ether. Anyway, just to answer briefly your points:
- The OT does present a mixed picture,...(Sat, 13/01/2018 - 13:25)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson Peter, it seems you are trying way too hard to make your theory work. You say the OT presents a mixed picture so we can’t really use that. You say Jesus’ parable that speaks of God’s violent wrath on...(Fri, 12/01/2018 - 20:05)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds I don’t think there’s any further mileage in this, is there? There is actually no reference to God pouring out his wrath in any of the temple destruction passages. Romans 1:18-32 redefines wrath as...(Fri, 12/01/2018 - 16:25)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson Hi Peter, I did read your comments on the other post and I agree that the Bible sometimes talks of God withdrawing or turning his back, but these passages are coupled with him pouring out his wrath,...(Fri, 12/01/2018 - 12:33)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds If you go to the post on the link provided, you’ll see extensive evidence for the view I’m proposing, in addition to the evidence cited in the comment to which you responded. I quoted Elie Wiesel to...(Fri, 12/01/2018 - 08:12)
Peter Simmonds replied to peter wilkinson Peter, I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree with your view that the NT characters viewed Yahweh’s actions in this world differently from OT characters (at least in any significant way). We do see...(Fri, 12/01/2018 - 00:22)
peter wilkinson replied to Peter Simmonds I think this post is very fair and even-handed. I think Andrew is quite careful in how he describes the Roman Jewish war:
Jesus tells his disciples that the war against Rome will result in the death...(Thu, 11/01/2018 - 15:36)
Peter Simmonds replied to Andrew We can’t say for certain whether or not the Holocaust was God’s judgment on his people, but throughout Jewish scriptures, anytime foreign nations punished them, it was understood as God’s judgment....(Thu, 11/01/2018 - 03:44)
Andrew replied to Stewart Felker A good honest comment. Nevertheless…
The hypothesis is not a Christian one, it is a Jewish one. It is rooted firmly in the Old Testament, it is found everywhere in the prophets, it is recapitulated...(Wed, 10/01/2018 - 23:18)
Peter Simmonds replied to Stewart Felker Stewart, I think that’s a good point. Even though the Jewish-Roman war fits the OT pattern–Yahweh punishes his disobedient people via pagan nations–the fact that so many innocents are brutally...(Wed, 10/01/2018 - 22:35)
Stewart Felker Will all due respect, I think that the horrors of Jewish-Roman War – with all its suffering and enslavement of countless innocents, etc. – being thought of as just deserts against Jesus’ theological...(Wed, 10/01/2018 - 21:58)
Jerel Kratt replied to peter wilkinson Peter thanks again for the reply. Sorry for my delay in responding. Regarding erchomai in Acts 1:11 and connecting with Daniel, that was Douglas’s comment not mine, and I’m inclined to agree with you...(Sun, 14/01/2018 - 21:35)
peter wilkinson replied to Douglas Wilkinson Thanks for all your comments Jerel. Looking again at Acts 1:9-11, it does seem as if the disciples are simply being told that one day Jesus will return to earth. It may not be exactly like his...(Wed, 10/01/2018 - 08:31)
Douglas Wilkinson replied to Jerel Kratt I think it is also worth considering that “Come” (from erchomai) in Acts 1:11 could just as easily have been translated “arrive”, and that it requires a referent to determine the destination. It has...(Wed, 10/01/2018 - 06:05)
Andrew replied to Jerel Kratt It was longer than your second comment. Sometimes paragraphs disappear, depending on how you enter the text.
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Jerel Kratt replied to peter wilkinson Peter forgive me one more time. I realize I am long winded… I get to writing and love pouring out details of my thoughts. Hopefully that’s not a bad thing.
I reread your reply to me again, and then...(Wed, 10/01/2018 - 00:06)