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The death of Jesus: not as difficult to understand as you might think

davo replied to Philip L Ledgerwood …yep, pretty much. The OT = “the Scriptures” in the NT. (Sat, 25/02/2017 - 03:58)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Philip Ledgerwood Philip, I’m a huge fan of a narrative-driven approach to scripture a la NT Wright, Richard Hays, Peter Leithart etc. And I’m all up for de-individualising things and appreciating the corporate and... (Thu, 23/02/2017 - 18:22)
Philip Ledgerwood replied to Chris Wooldridge For the record, I don’t think it has to be either/or, but I do think we have to be very aware of what we’re doing and put our statements in their accordingly proper context. For example, if a... (Thu, 23/02/2017 - 16:10)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Philip Ledgerwood Philip, I’ve read much of Andrew’s stuff and found a lot of it helpful. But there are a few aspects of his thinking which I do find problematic, the first being a kind of reductionism which reduces... (Thu, 23/02/2017 - 15:51)
Philip Ledgerwood replied to Chris Wooldridge As to “the alternative,” that’s pretty much what this entire site is about. Near the top of the page, there’s a menu section called “Method,” and you might enjoy the articles in there that lay out... (Thu, 23/02/2017 - 15:08)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Philip Ledgerwood What then, do you propose as the alternative? Why, specifically, was a lamb’s blood shed and applies to the door? Why did God choose that sign instead of, say, leaving a pot outside? (Thu, 23/02/2017 - 01:27)
Philip Ledgerwood replied to Chris Wooldridge Insofar as the author of a biblical text will make theological statements and reflections on his subject, I agree. But before attributing a theology to an author, I’d want some evidence that was the... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 19:22)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Philip L Ledgerwood Philip, My observations about the passover are not directly related to theories about penal substitution. I just believe that narratives have theological meanings already. To exclude theological... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 19:12)
Philip L Ledgerwood replied to Chris Wooldridge That sounds even less like substitution. When Moses hid in the cleft in the rock from YHWH’s presence, was the rock a substitute for Moses? We can all speculate on the point of the blood on the... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 14:17)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Philip L Ledgerwood Philip, One has to ask, what is the purpose of covering the doorposts with blood if not for protection? The presence of Yahweh was passing through the land, and Yahweh’s presence was always dangerous... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 09:37)
Philip L Ledgerwood replied to Bible2+ Pity for Timothy the New Testament didn’t exist yet. (Tue, 21/02/2017 - 19:50)
Philip L Ledgerwood replied to Chris Wooldridge If God is not disposed to kill the Israelite firstborn, how is the dying lamb a substitute? The whole idea behind a substitution is that the lamb dies -in the place of the firstborn-. That’s my... (Tue, 21/02/2017 - 15:18)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Philip Ledgerwood Philip, You keep making a claim about my position that I have not made, namely that I believe that God wants to kill the israelite firstborn. My position is the exact opposite, that God does *not*... (Tue, 21/02/2017 - 10:05)
Philip Ledgerwood replied to Chris Wooldridge I don’t think it’s a good idea to speculate on what a first century Jew “would have” done in terms of these connections, especially if we ourselves are making those connections. I do not know of any... (Mon, 20/02/2017 - 23:47)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Philip L Ledgerwood Philip, I agree that God used the blood to identify the Israelite’s houses. But it’s not difficult to spot the correspondence between the death of the lambs and the death of the firstborn. Any first... (Mon, 20/02/2017 - 23:22)

A pragmatic non-theory of the atonement

Andrew replied to Chris Wooldridge Thanks. I’ll resist the temptation to answer off the top of my head. I’ll get round to it maybe next week. (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 23:08)
Zach Talmage replied to Chris Wooldridge Thank you, Chris, for offering passages to test ideas against. I find it really helpful. After reviewing them, it seems that Point 17 of Andrew’s post does a good job for me of handling Hebrews 10 as... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 16:13)
Chris Wooldridge replied to Andrew Absolutely! Hebrews 10 and Romans 6 would both be good passages to consider. Just off the top of my head. (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 10:59)
Andrew replied to Chris Wooldridge Do you want to suggest a couple of these passages to look at? (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 10:40)
Chris Wooldridge Andrew, As I said before, I like the historical angle. But I can’t buy the latent zwinglianism inherent in your interpretive approach. I agree that Jesus’ death was significant as a historical event... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 10:31)
Peter Excellent article! I love your clear writing style and your desire to bring clarity into areas that have been unclear for so long! (Tue, 21/02/2017 - 16:35)
Philip L Ledgerwood For what it’s worth, I thought this was very clarifying. (Tue, 21/02/2017 - 16:28)

Why talking to the exalted Jesus was not prayer

Marc Taylor replied to Sheila Rae Below are comments from those who are not Trinitarians and they also affirm that Stephen prayed to the Lord Jesus. 1. John W. Schoenheit: To “call on” was a common prayer formula. Stephen was asking... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 21:44)
Marc Taylor replied to Andrew Andrew you wrote: My argument is that the communication with the risen Lord is really an extension of communication with the earthly Lord. When the disciples talked to Jesus on earth, it wasn’t... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 21:23)
Andrew replied to Emi Hi Emi. I hadn’t forgotten you.Hopefully an example clarifies what I mean by the term: I want to convince a friend that the crucifixion and resurrection were neither for nor about personal salvation... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 18:34)
Sheila Rae I think that it is good not to confuse the non- trinitarian view of who God is by saying that it is in alignment with the trinity view of who God is. but I did enjoy and agree with much of what... (Tue, 21/02/2017 - 20:40)

Calling on the name of the Lord Jesus

Marc Taylor replied to Sheila Rae Hello Sheila,YHWH is indeed one but there is nothing that says He can not be a multi-Personal one God. You were the one who cited John 4:21-23 where the Greek word proskyneō is found. I showed that... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 10:46)
Sheila Rae replied to Marc Taylor Hello Marc Taylor, The Greek word proskuneo is not always defined as worship as it is only too apparent to see as defined at Revelation 3:9. The reason why proskuneo was not defined the way it was... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 06:13)
Marc Taylor replied to Sheila Rae None of the passages you cited teach the Lord Jesus is not God. In John 4:21-24 the same Greek word for worship (proskyneō) is applied unto the Lord Jesus in John 9:38. Peter Pett: The use elsewhere... (Wed, 22/02/2017 - 03:10)
Sheila Rae replied to Marc Taylor Please listen closely to Jesus at John 4:21-24 ….. John 20:17 ….. John 17:3 ……Rev. 3:12 ……. John 5: 30 ” “I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just,... (Tue, 21/02/2017 - 19:22)