A Hindu asks a very good question about the death of Jesus and the salvation of Gentiles

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Krishna is a practising Hindu whose “knowledge of the Bible/Gospels is basic at best,” but he asks a perceptive question—the sort of question that Christians don’t usually bother to ask, assuming that one size fits all—about the relevance of the death of Jesus for Gentiles:

Gentiles were not under any such Law, albeit they are troubled by their conscience for any wrongdoings. So even if they feel they deserve punishment, it would be either in a general sense of being troubled and wanting to be “in the right” again, or else in a specific sense of being put right with their God, whoever they believed in. Where is the question of someone having to die for their sins when no such thing is required or demanded explicitly by their conscience or their God? And if Jesus did die for the Jews’ sins, how can Gentiles benefit from that at all? How would the idea of “salvation” and “eternal life” apply to them? The entire array of benefits from belief in Jesus also seem to be rooted in the Jewish religion, hence it really confuses me.

I was just going to refer him to a list of previous posts dealing with the topic (see below), but then I thought a bit of a summary might be helpful. I should warn Krishna that this is not how the “church” views the matter for the most part, but it is consistent, I think, with a constructive and “faithful” narrative-historical reading of the New Testament.

  • In my view, we understand Paul (and the New Testament generally) much better if we think in terms of the salvation of a people, Israel, at a moment in time rather than of the salvation of individuals anywhere, anytime. The premise of the New Testament is that the people of the living creator God, whose story is told in the Old Testament, were heading for the catastrophe of war against Rome and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, on account of their persistent disobedience or sinfulness. Israel as a priestly temple-centred people needed to be “saved” from this dreadful or “hellish” outcome.
  • Jesus’ death was the means of this salvation within the framework of the Jewish Law or Torah and could therefore be described as an “atonement” or “propitiation” for the sins of Israel. That needs explaining, of course, but it makes pretty good sense in the first century Jewish context. The pronouncement made by the high priest Caiaphas in a Council session gets us close to the “political” logic of salvation: “it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish” (John 11:50).
  • Individual Jews shared in the salvation of Israel, as the people of God, by believing in the controversial story about Jesus from Nazareth, who had been crucified by Rome. Their “faith” was that Jesus had been right in his severe criticism of the leadership of the Jews and his warnings of a coming “judgment,” that God had raised him from the dead, seated him at his right hand in heaven, and had put the future of his people in his hands as judge and ruler.

I would argue that something similar is happening in the church now, certainly in the western context: salvation is a matter of getting to grips with history and with the God of history.

  • Jews who believed this were filled with the Spirit of God, which empowered them both to bear witness to their risen Lord and to act rightly—in effect, to fulfil the Law, as though its requirements were now written on their hearts.
  • To be saved, therefore, was to be part of what God was doing to ensure the survival, reformation, re-animation, and future relevance of his people in the world in the age to come. I would argue that something similar is happening in the church now, certainly in the western context: salvation is a matter of getting to grips with history and with the God of history.
  • When Gentiles—initially those who were sympathetic to Judaism—heard about these developments and saw what was happening, some of them also believed and experienced the Spirit of God in the same way. The leaders of the Jewish Jesus movement then decided, after much deliberation (e.g., Acts 15:6-21), that these non-Jewish believers could legitimately be included in the community without becoming Torah-observant—notably, without males being circumcised.
  • It is in this sense that Gentiles were “saved” by the death of Jesus. For Jews, participation in the age to come was guaranteed not by keeping the Law, which could only condemn them to the destruction of the war against Rome and obsolescence, but by believing or having faith in a new future under the lordship of a crucified messiah. That is how they were reconciled to the God of history. What this meant, however, was that the Law no longer functioned as a barrier between Jews and Gentiles (cf. Ephesians 2:11-22), between circumcised and uncircumcised. So if Gentiles were also coming to believe this story and walk in the Spirit, if they were abandoning their pagan worship and practices in order to serve the living God, they too could hope to participate in the future life of the redeemed people of God.

Great to see a questioning Hindu raise a question we can all learn from. Thanks for summarizing in addition to the links for further consideration. I’ve been reflecting on how a narrative-historical context and a shift away from an individual soteriological framework informs a new way for multifaith engagement. 

KrishnaC | Mon, 01/02/2023 - 09:10 | Permalink

Thank you for your response, Andrew. I’ve read the content and have 2 questions:

1. On Abraham’s faith — He supposedly had a clear dialogue or interaction with his God, which gave him the faith he is held as an example of to both Jew and Gentile. His being called out of his tent to look at the innumerable stars in the night sky, etc. etc. seems to me like some sort of personal, real, lived experience of interacting with the Divine. Hence the power of that experience, that lived encounter must have made it (very) easy for him to trust in God’s promise concerning his future generations. However, many people today who do not have such a first-hand encounter with the Divine — what of them? Where does that faith and conviction come from? On just hearing the Gospel message, or something else? One could argue that they have hope of being justified in front of God, because Abraham was justified…but they don’t necessarily have the advantage of Abraham’s first-hand experience of the Divine, to have that tremendous faith in God’s promise of everlasting life if they believe in Jesus’s death.

2. On having/developing the conviction due to the indwelling Spirit that Jesus’s resurrection happened and believing it gives salvation — this is related to my first question. Can you tell me, from your own experience, what this statement means as a lived experience, in terms of what’s going on inside the head and heart? And what you’ve heard from others who claim to have this experience, too, please? It comes across as rather mysterious and if I may use the word, “random”, in the sense that one might either have such an experience or not. Maybe this is why such people “are elected by grace”? What can one do to have such conviction if one doesn’t already?


I see there has been no answer to this, but I would like to respond. 

1. While most people of faith may not have the relationship Abraham had with the Divine, there are first hand phenomenal experiences and interactions with the Divine. These can be objective experiences, often described as miracles, which may involve anomalous healing or survival. I have experienced some of these personally, one of the more bizarre being driving and walking through a literal minefield in Afghanistan. It and other bizarre coincidences had a profound effect on my team, to the point my team leader, who had been a non-practicing Catholic,  required me to always pray before leaving a FOB (forward operating base). The other phenomenal experiences can be more subjective, these could be dreams, visions, or other personal experiences that are internal. I have experienced some of these as well. For an individual these transcendent experiences can be overwhelming and difficult to convey or explain to other people. All of these though can reinforce personal conviction and even effect others, even those who lack faith. I don’t think signs or miracles are effective for everyone though, this is even shown in the gospel in Matthew 11:20-24, where even though the people experienced miracles they still refused to accept what was happening and by this were condemned further. 

2. From my own personal experience, my conviction was shaped over time and began with my childhood. I was not raised in an overly religious household and knew almost nothing of the Bible as a small child, but I had a profound experience around the age of 5 where I fell and should have been seriously injured in the fall. I saw a flash of light and a hand that looked human below me. I fell against that hand. The wind was knocked out of me, but I did not have any scratches or bruises. I never forgot that as a child. I did not understand what happened or why, but that experience made me realize something is out there watching over us. It wasn’t until I was a young adult though that I really began to accept God and it still took a number of years before I really began to grasp the role of Jesus, the key insight being the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem and the end of the Yom Kippur sacrifices of the lamb and the scapegoat, which had been done for thousands of years. The acceptance and understanding of this seemed to have affected me in phenomenal ways, like the internal presence of something that is hard for me to describe, like a strong impression of morality conveyed by an external intelligence. At times this presence may intensify to the point of feeling physical reactions, like my lungs and sinuses open up, there is a sense almost like electricity that begins to reverberate in the core of my body. There is a sense of euphoria and it can continue to intensify to an ecstatic state. This state is described in a number of ways in the scripture as the presence of the Holy Spirit, e.g. Acts 10:44–48. I don’t think this process is random at all, but ultimately relies more on having an open heart and mind, being truly objective, ultimately having an acceptance and understanding of the Father and the Son, especially the role of the Son in regards to atonement and last but not least forgiving everyone. I should note from personal experience some things seem to interfere in this process, carnal desires seems to be a major one, responding to insults in kind, and harboring any kind of spite or grudges. One has to let go of the flesh, not just lust, but aggression. 

I hope all of that makes sense and somewhat answers your questions.